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hello and welcome to episode number 76

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of the point of conversions podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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the so-called UFO phenomenon is a tricky

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affair because no matter when and from

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where you enter the discussion you're

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inevitably going to face having your

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assumptions and expectations stretched

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to the max indeed to those really paying

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close attention to for instance the

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wealth of experience or data that's been

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amassed over decades it's clear that a

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discourse around the nature of potential

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UFOs and aliens in our midst eventually

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leads to a much deeper Rabbit Hole where

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our place in the universe and the Very

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nature of reality are in play

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of course one of the biggest leaps those

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who entered this discussion face is the

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notion not simply that aliens exist out

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there somewhere perhaps in some corner

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of the vast expanse of the cosmos but

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that they're here and perhaps have been

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for as long and undoubtedly even longer

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than we've been looking for them

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but if that's true Skeptics ask why

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aren't we finding clear undeniable

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evidence for their presence and for that

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matter why don't they simply land on the

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White House lawn to put the matter to

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rest once and for all

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it's absurd to think they're here these

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Skeptics confidently assert but then

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choose this bizarre stealthiness

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absurdity you say indeed we've got that

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in Spades even welcome to the UFO

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phenomenon as it actually exists rather

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than how you'd like it to be based on

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your 21st century Western expectations

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and assumptions one of the largest and

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most questionable of which is the belief

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that if they were here we'd be able to

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detect them with relative ease

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another major Deep dive into the

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proverbial Rabbit Hole comes when one

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comes to grips that these various others

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are not only here but are actually

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interacting with various human beings

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and that this circumstance is much more

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commonplace than the mainstream media

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and present political set would have you

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believe

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and even once you've digested that

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interactions really are happening you're

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then confronted by just how diverse

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these interactions are

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indeed they seem to cover the proverbial

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gamut from positive encounters with

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supportive inspirational entities to

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frightening encounters with beings who

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conduct obtuse medical procedures and

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examinations that seem on the face of it

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to be much more invasive than is

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necessary especially if these beings are

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as advanced as they purport to be

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get an even more Paradigm stretching

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matter arises when people hear of

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encounters with beings that humans come

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to find they recognize and even feel a

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pre-incarnate familial connection to and

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often these encounters involve the

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person being reminded of a particular

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Mission they are here in this

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Incarnation as an earth human to fulfill

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of course this brings to mind for some

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people the religious notion of Angels

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and Demons as old as human civilization

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itself

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but these beings often arrive in

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spacecraft and have their own home

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planets are these the same entities as

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are reported in religious Traditions or

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different ones altogether

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and how are we to make sense of these

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particular encounters from within the

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dazzling complexity that is the UFO

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phenomenon

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these are the very matters we'll seek to

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disentangle in this the 76th episode of

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I'd like to begin this week's episode by

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reminding people that I also am part of

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another podcast titled liminal frames

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which happens on the in between weeks so

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in other words you can get it on the in

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between weeks again on Saturday nights

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at 8pm Eastern Standard Time is when it

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gets released on the weeks in between

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POC episodes that's liminal frames and

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that's a conversational kind of format

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with my friend Nathan and we cover

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topics similar to this and also cover

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religious history and other esoteric

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topics as well conversational and runs

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for about 90 minutes each episode you

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can find that on my YouTube channel

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exoacademian and if you're looking for a

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podcast liminal frames is a dedicated

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podcast that has its own publication so

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you want to look for liminal frames on

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your favorite podcast platform frames

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spelled with a pH inspired by phenomenon

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okay so today's topic discussing

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interactions with beings alien entities

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apparently that people have a familial

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connection to they somehow feel

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connected to these beings and often they

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will remember having interactions with

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them close intimate interactions from

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even before birth and this often happens

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initially in early childhood that they

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have these encounters and then remember

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sometimes having encounters from even

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before they incarnated as a human being

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now specifically this topic today is

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part of my ongoing discussion of a new

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cosmology and there's a lot to it it's

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very complex but it's also coherent but

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it's going to take some time to roll it

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all out

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and since uh last week's episode I've

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published two additional of these new

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cosmology truth nuggets and number 10

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and 13 specifically apply to today's

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topic so I wanted to begin by discussing

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those

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new cosmology truth number 10 says

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sightings of anomalous phenomena

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sometimes serve as signal flares for

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human beings with histories Beyond this

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Incarnation and Beyond merely human

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ancestry the aim is to wake them up in

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other words these are strategic

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activation prompts

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and then new cosmology truth number 13

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states a Life review that comes at the

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end of a particular Incarnation is not

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intended as a means to justify punitive

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action but as an opportunity for a soul

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to have a transparent view into the

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impact of actions and experiences on a

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field of Consciousness that is

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intrinsically connected when people

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imagine punitive action in this scenario

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they tend to see that as being at the

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hands of a god figure who is comparing

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their actions to a list of arbitrary

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do's and don'ts but here the soul is

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left to consider the implications of

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actions and experiences on the field

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quote unquote so those are two important

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nuggets that apply to today's topic

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all right let's dig in

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as I pointed out numerous times on this

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podcast I think the evidence presented

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in the body of historical experiencer

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accounts suggests that what we

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colloquially call the UFO phenomenon is

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an amalgam of different groups with

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different agendas coming from different

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Origins many of you familiar with my

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work will have heard me say that many

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times that said there's another key

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element to add to the mix here that is

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usually missed entirely in the public

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conversation around the discussion of

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UFOs and aliens and that is stages of

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in other words not only is the UFO

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phenomenon composed of different groups

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with different agendas and different

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working under different developmental

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truth be told this is the most Central

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variable to be aware of here and of

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course agendas and levels of

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consciousness overlap the higher on the

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spiral one's level of Consciousness

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development is the more one's agenda is

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underlined with an increasingly

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expansive sphere of concern until

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ultimately upon a truly non-dual

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realization one sees no real distinction

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between other any other alien or not and

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self all sentient life is included

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to address a concern that is sometimes

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raised at this point

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having to do with what some people see

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as a focus on human consciousness as a

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kind of anthropocentrism

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what makes you assume alien life would

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be anything like Humanity these people

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say what makes you think their

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Consciousness would have anything in

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common with our own

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well here again I would Point such

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people to the body of historical

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experience or accounts truth be told

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many people raising that objection are

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not familiar with said material and when

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they are aware of it they quickly

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dismiss it

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but what that expansive data tells us is

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that often these various others do have

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a Consciousness not so dissimilar from

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are there good and bad ones well in a

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shallow interpretation yes just as there

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are with human beings but a closer more

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nuanced more realistic examination shows

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us that the various alien entities that

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are encountered cover range from lowly

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to highly developed along a familiar

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spectrum of consciousness

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and if you'd like to know more about

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that spiral of Consciousness development

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I covered that in depth way back in

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episode 9 which was titled disclosure

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dilemma examining the impact of a public

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revelation of a superior alien presence

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now that episode was primarily focused

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on the varying levels of consciousness

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currently coexisting on the earth

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amongst humans the point being that

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asking about the nature of a singular

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planetary response to the disclosure of

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aliens in our midst is a largely

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incoherent question because the

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responses will vary greatly depending on

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the stage of Consciousness a particular

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people group is working under indeed

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there are three major different levels

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of consciousness coexisting just within

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the United States in 2022 so you can

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imagine how complex it gets when you

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consider the entire globe

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now in that episode I also pointed out

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that these steps along the Consciousness

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spiral are predictable and that's

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important in other words the

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sociological study of various cultures

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from around the world shows this

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repeated progression in Consciousness

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the steps are always Progressive and

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always predictable

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importantly these various levels of

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consciousness not only shape the way one

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interprets reality but they also change

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the very way one sees and experiences

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reality

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new capacities come online as people

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progress along the spiral

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now when one pursues the vast experience

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for literature available a very similar

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picture emerges people have experiences

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with beings that vary but that can be

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mapped back to the same Consciousness

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spiral

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indeed what we see really is something

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like a foundational set of principles

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around Consciousness that apply

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throughout the cosmos

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of course this says something

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significant about the nature of reality

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itself which as I've stated before I see

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based on evidence arising in numerous

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diverse but converging fields of inquiry

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is more like a collective mindscape or

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shared Dreamscape

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very importantly and fundamentally the

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reason why Consciousness follows a

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predictable trajectory across the vast

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expanse of the cosmos or perhaps better

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put based on what we just said across

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the mental construct of our shared

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Dreamscape is that all sentient life is

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ultimately a facet of the one underlying

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Consciousness that is the Bedrock of

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reality itself

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all this one and all is God is another

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way to put that though in the forgetting

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process that is part of the fragmenting

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that happens with the one Cosmic

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intelligence as its subsets subdivide

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yet again that awareness of being

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intricately and indivisibly Connected To

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Source is temporarily lost

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importantly that voluntary forgetting

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happens in order to encounter novel

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experience and the variable nature of

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complete Free Will and what it brings

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and then through experience to

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contribute those Lessons Learned in

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terms of truth beauty and love back to

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the one ultimately undivided

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Consciousness as part of its ongoing

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journey of self-discovery self with a

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capital S there a cells comprising all

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of the sentient life in the cosmos

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and again in terms of our topic here

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this holds true for all sentient life

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across the cosmos whether human being

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gray alien or an amalgam of the two in

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the form of a hybrid

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as I've already pointed out the body of

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historical experiencer accounts when

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taken in Toto paint a picture of

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encounters with beings that fall at

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various points along the spiral of

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Developmental Consciousness that said

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because negativity and fear tend to

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dominate our shared mindscape in western

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civilization the more negative

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encounters tend to get a lot of play and

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by negative I mean both encounters that

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really do involve encountering

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self-serving and thus seemingly

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malevolent entities as well as more

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nuanced encounters that were at least

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initially perceived as negative because

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of the discomfort the sheer ontological

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shock produced in the body mind

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experience of a particular human being

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without a doubt abduction accounts

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involving seemingly uncaring indifferent

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business-like entities tend to get most

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of the press

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but to those paying attention to the

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fullness of accounts available there are

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decidedly positive encounters involving

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apparent history slash familiarity with

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beings that in the experience of the

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person having the encounter as we've

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been saying seem to extend to a period

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from before birth sometimes remembered

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from a time between incarnations and

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sometimes remembered from a previous

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lifetime altogether interestingly

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sometimes those previous lifetimes were

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not as a human being and that's

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significant this is a big part of the

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cosmology a big part of what makes this

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so complex is not just the many others

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that are in our midst but how even human

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beings coexisting on the earth do not

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have the same constitutional background

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of course knowing that some of these

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encounters have a familial feel to them

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and sometimes involve memories of a

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human being being a different kind of

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entity in a previous lifetime certainly

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complicates or to co-opt a joffrelay

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phrase makes more interesting the

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question around us and them and puts a

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new Wrinkle in the ongoing mystery of

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the UFO phenomenon

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to make better sense of what is entailed

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in these kinds of encounters let's

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consider a few that I personally am

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aware of

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in each of these you'll find some unique

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elements but also an overarching theme

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involving purpose that cuts across all

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of them

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the first case I have that relates to

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this episode's theme involves a man who

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was injured by way of a wayward gunshot

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this happened when the person was a

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child while they were being rushed to

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the hospital they found themselves on

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board a craft outside the Earth's

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atmosphere looking back at the Earth

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now during this part of the encounter

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the person felt no pain from the gunshot

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wound but was in fear of these decidedly

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non-human looking beings

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sensing his fear these beings

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communicated telepathically that they

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meant the person no harm that they were

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there to help him indeed they assured

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him that despite the severe injury he

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had suffered he was going to be okay

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in fact their communication went much

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further than that for they told him

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again telepathically that they had known

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him from before he ever came into this

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Incarnation as an earth human and that

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they were always watching over him

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interestingly this person then began to

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feel very distant memory surface where

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he did indeed know these beings or it

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seems so this feeling of familiarity was

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startling to his rational mind

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and while in the presence of these

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beings they also reminded him that he

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had a purpose on the earth a mission if

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you will that would become clear to him

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later in his lifetime

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sure enough that sense of calling or

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vocation if you will did become clear to

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him decades after this early childhood

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encounter

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now some people might hear a story like

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this and assume what we're talking about

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here are not et's or aliens but angels

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well that designation might fit except

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for the fact that they proceeded to take

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this person on a space Voyage to their

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home planet during this encounter

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and after spending some time there and

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communing with them they returned him to

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Earth again via a trip in their craft at

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which point he awoke in a hospital bed

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where he eventually made a full recovery

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so as you can see these beings seem to

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defy our traditional categories they act

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in ways that seem Angelic on the one

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hand according to most people's

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understanding and or assumptions

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but they also had a home base on another

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planet and traveled via an apparent

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spacecraft which is more typical of

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conventional Notions of

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extraterrestrials I.E biological alien

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entities

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I think a third category that collapses

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both these Notions is a better fit here

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and I will describe this Transcendent

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category later in the podcast

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a second case that shares these

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overarching characteristics of

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encounters with benevolent entities that

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seem strangely familiar arises in an

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experience that someone shared with me

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that also came about following a

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childhood accident in this case the

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individual had swallowed paper while her

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parents were in another room they came

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back to find her blue and on death's

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door but while this was happening she

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found herself in the presence of what

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she described to me as light beings and

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just to clarify she was just a baby at

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this point but she remembers this

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encounter

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and sure enough she realized they were

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familiar familial even just like with

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the previous case I discussed and she

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felt connected to them and that they had

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known her since before this Earthly

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incarnation

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now interestingly she was cogent enough

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to explain that she really didn't want

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to go back that her baby body was too

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constricting and difficult to maneuver

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with which is funny when you think about

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but quite apt if you really had memory

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from before being a human being then a

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baby's body would seem very cumbersome

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but they then reminded her that she was

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on Earth for a purpose specifically to

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help people and soon after she was

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returned to her Earthly baby body where

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her parents had just managed to clear

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her throat and she soon made a full

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recovery

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now earlier on I mentioned in thinking

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about these kinds of encounters that

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conventional Notions of angels and

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Aliens don't quite fit the bill on the

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one hand these are very positive

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benevolent helping kinds of entities

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seemingly like Guardians so in that

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sense they fit the angel category but

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then they often arrive in spaceships and

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supposedly come from home planets in

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fact sometimes they even take people

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back to their home planet and so that

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doesn't really fit with Angel it sounds

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more like E.T extraterrestrial or alien

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so how do we make sense of this I think

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a lot of it comes down to this notion of

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non-duality which I've been mentioning a

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lot in this podcast especially over the

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last few months now again depending on

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the background and the interpretive grid

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of the experiencer they may or may not

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fully grasp this notion in other words

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even when you have an experience with

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beings who basically exude this sense of

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non-dual source you don't necessarily

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really interpret it that way if your

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grid isn't prepared for it in other

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words again along this line This spiral

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of Developmental Consciousness the

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particular Consciousness stage of the

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person right now when they have the

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experience matters as well

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in other words if you're nowhere near a

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non-dual understanding then sometimes

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even when you have an experience which

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exudes non-dual characteristics you

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won't necessarily interpret it that way

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in fact I know people who've had these

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kinds of encounters and wrestled to come

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to grips with it and sometimes feel this

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overwhelming sense of violation because

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their sense of self is transcended in

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these encounters but rather than tuning

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into this non-dual connection they have

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with these others they rather see it as

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a kind of violation and a loss of their

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sense of self

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so again if you still have a very

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attached sense of ego a very defined

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sense of ego who I am in this body mind

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in this lifetime and I came from these

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parents and I live in this country and

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that's really solid and well defined for

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you and you have no notion of being

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something beyond that then often you

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will not be able to ground these

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experiences not in a way that is truly

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non-dual even when again the attributes

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of the beings being interacted with

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suggests this very kind of reality

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now in the next case we're going to

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discuss you'll see this come front and

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center and in this case this person

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wrestled for years decades even trying

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to make sense of his encounter and

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eventually did arrive at this non-dual

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source and it's because it so resembled

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what he picked up from them he had a

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short experience with them and yet it

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was so mind-blowing so life-changing

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that he spent decades trying to track

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down what this meant and ultimately

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that's where he landed at the sense of

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non-dual source everything being

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connected everything being one indeed

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that is the name of his book he titled

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his book about his experiences one I'd

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like to discuss that now and by the way

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for those of you interested I also

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covered this case in depth in episode

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number 39 titled the veil Between Worlds

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yossi ronan's encounters with aliens and

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experience of non-duality and that's

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whose case we're going to discuss next

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yossi Ronin now I already mentioned how

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sometimes these encounters with these

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various beings seem to completely

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collapse and transcend our Notions our

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pre-existing Notions or conceptions that

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happened in a very interesting way here

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as well and not just because of this

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realization of non-dual source that

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Ronan eventually came to as a result of

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these experiences directly

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but also because initially he had an

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encounter with these beings in a dream

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state he very clearly knows that he was

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dreaming and he encountered these beings

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in a dream and it was playful and

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enjoyable and it was something to think

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back on in a refreshing way

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but then he awoke and heard strange

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sounds in his apartment in Los Angeles

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and then realized the beings were there

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in the room with him and it was no

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longer Just a Dream they were in his

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waking State as well which is very

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interesting and again it shows you how

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our Notions of this really hard line

589
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between dream states and reality setting

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quotes is not nearly as solid as we

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would assume again this very much fits

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with what I've been saying that even our

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waking state is very much a shared

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Dreamscape a mind space if you will

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but of course it's one thing to

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encounter these kinds of beings in a

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dream state we're prepared for this to

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some degree we have our guard down but

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when we encounter these strange

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non-human beings in our waking State

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alarms go off our evolutionary State

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goes into fight or flight and we don't

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know what to do it's very

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discombobulating

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it was very shocking to Ronan at first

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and really it took him decades to come

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to grips with it

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now again as I said it took Ronan some

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time to really ground this experience

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and to arrive at a new understanding of

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reality as a result of his experience

612
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but eventually he did get there and it

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partly came even as he observed closely

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now with a new lens so to speak his

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everyday world and I want to quote now a

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section from his book one quote in my

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regular state every object around me

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seems separate from the other the tree

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is distinct apart from the ground and

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likewise air sun and so on but now as

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some resonance to the experience of

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sharing all my different senses jointly

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I was seeing the same connection that

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had always been there all around now the

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trees are a clear continuation of the

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ground below and of the sun and the air

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above without any intermission or pause

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between any of them like one continuous

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body the trees were nourished by the

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Earth the food and the water that

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nourished it flowed through the trees as

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well all so they were in fact a direct

633
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continuation of the ground

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sunlight descended and permeated the

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leaves merged with the water and became

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part of the plant

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the tree was also the condensation of

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the sunlight the light flowed through

639
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the leaves downwards descending right

640
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into the heart of the earth along with

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the roots and making it fertile one

642
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complete cycle of Life traveled from the

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ground below to the sun above and back

644
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down again sunlight met with the earth

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and the water in each Leaf where they

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connected as though making love with one

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another Fire and Water converged into

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one giving life in the process

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I looked at the tree leaves right in

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front of me then I went deeper into

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feeling the sensation of the leaves at

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the top of the tree which faced upwards

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to the blue sky and for the first time

654
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ever noticed something else the tree was

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conscious and in a deep continuing state

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of thankfulness for its existence and

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now I already mentioned that his initial

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contact came in a dream and then he

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awoke to found them in his apartment in

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his waking State as well

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what's interesting is they find other

662
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ways to communicate with him through

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dreams later on which again from my

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perspective speaks again to the fact

665
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that there is not this clear distinction

666
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that these are just different modalities

667
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and we can go back and forth between

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them toggle between them and they are

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both equally real in some ways and

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what's more important is the lessons we

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learn and how that changes Us and how we

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contribute that back to the totality

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when we move between lifetimes carrying

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that deep wisdom even if we don't always

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carry the direct memories

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now this is another quote in the book

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where Ronan talks about later dreams he

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had quoting from the book again quote

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during the time from the first meeting

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to today the visitors have come up with

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several dreams designed to help me

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understand and cope with the contact

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they differ completely from ordinary

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dreams being clear and detailed not like

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my subjective dreams for many years now

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I continue to explore the depths of

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these dreams unquote

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this is what the visitors said to him in

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one of the dreams quote communication

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from us given to you is other than

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language our way of thinking is

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different from yours but our

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communication nevertheless exists the

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communication that passes from us to you

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is fully understood only for the deepest

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part of your Consciousness a place that

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is currently almost oblivious to you

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it's the place from which your choice of

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thinking arises in this primary space of

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Consciousness you are connected to us

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and all the life around you this deep

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and hidden part of you does understand

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00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:41,340
the information from us since it is also

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a kind of language language of the one

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when you become physically aware of your

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00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:48,600
thoughts it is only after it already

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takes the shape of words emotions or a

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picture in your minds slash brains

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language at this point you are forced to

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translate and convert the deeper

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00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:00,960
unconscious Oneness experience into

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separate dual Concepts to understand it

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00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,240
through separate Essences such as a

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point in time point in place distinct

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shapes and figures and separate words or

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00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,740
names for them your mind slash brain

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00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,120
makes it through finding close

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associations and memory in your familiar

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World unquote

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00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:22,080
and again I can completely relate to

721
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:24,059
that if you think back to some of the

722
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,500
experiences I've shared in recent

723
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,020
podcasts I have a very similar kind of

724
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:30,480
experience where an immense amount of

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00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:32,940
information is immediately granted to me

726
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and I know initially kind of

727
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,320
symbolically exactly what it means and

728
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,080
it's very extensive information but then

729
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,600
I have to in sharing with others break

730
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,760
it down into individual Concepts that I

731
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:46,799
can share in a linear format so that it

732
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is understandable and comprehendable in

733
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,720
terms of how we usually communicate but

734
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:53,820
again initially it all comes in in one

735
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:56,460
go and it's symbolic usually and yet I

736
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,919
know multi-dimensionally what it means

737
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,480
so I very much understand what he's

738
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,640
talking about here and I understand the

739
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:04,860
process we go through to then be able to

740
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,940
translate it into 3D reality

741
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,340
now in ronin's encounter just like the

742
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,500
other ones we discussed earlier he

743
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,000
eventually gets to the point where he

744
00:29:19,149 --> 00:29:17,460
realizes he had his first encounter with

745
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,159
these beings when he was a young child

746
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:21,840
and they then tell him about why they

747
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,159
showed up to him then and how that

748
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,500
connected to who he was as an adult and

749
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,059
how it connected to this sense of

750
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:29,220
mission or purpose

751
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,840
and that will jump to a point where he's

752
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,820
recalling a childhood experience with

753
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:35,220
these others again his defenses were

754
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,799
down more because he was a child and

755
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often people do have more of these

756
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:41,760
encounters when their children because

757
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,559
they do have their guards down because

758
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:46,140
it is not so outlandish to the rational

759
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:47,940
mind which hasn't really developed at

760
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:50,460
that point and fight or flight is not

761
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,380
the only response we have when we're

762
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:54,960
children that sense of wonder that sense

763
00:29:59,389 --> 00:29:57,779
of open-endedness is still there and

764
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,399
that allows us to experience reality

765
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,500
sometimes in a deeper and broader way

766
00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:04,020
than we can as adults and sometimes

767
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:06,620
having those encounters is partly about

768
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,419
planting in the mind in the body mind

769
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:11,700
experience of the person some sort of

770
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,380
familiarity with that experience so that

771
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,440
when they do have the more traumatic

772
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,880
ontologically shocking experience as

773
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,980
adults when the rational mind is online

774
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,200
and fight or flight is the usual

775
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,419
response so that they can begin to

776
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:27,480
ground it more and move past that fear

777
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,640
quoting from this part of the book quote

778
00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:32,220
we have chosen to do it like this so

779
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:34,620
that your Consciousness now within a

780
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,840
child's body can easily store this

781
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,059
encounter for many years inside of your

782
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,220
body you will not think about this

783
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:43,919
experience or try to understand it then

784
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:45,779
the memory of these moments will remain

785
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,539
intact behind the defensive walls that

786
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:50,640
your adult body and mind will create

787
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,580
over time there is a possibility that in

788
00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:55,799
the future when you are older you will

789
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:57,659
remember this experience and be able to

790
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:59,940
translate it into the words of a mature

791
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:02,399
person and maybe use it

792
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,159
and then Ronan says me use it and then

793
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,559
they say yes the memories of this

794
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,140
reunion will serve you in the future in

795
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:12,000
the first phase the reunion will serve

796
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:14,460
you for yourself if you choose to speak

797
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:17,220
about it will also serve others in your

798
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,340
world and it will serve me and Us in my

799
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:22,679
world as well and eventually also the

800
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:25,260
other dimensions unquote

801
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,539
and that last part is really key I've

802
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:29,279
talked about this as well we have

803
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:32,039
interpenetrating dimensions and they're

804
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,659
into penetrating in the sense that they

805
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,720
also interact and impact each other when

806
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:38,880
we talk about nuclear weapons and why

807
00:31:42,769 --> 00:31:40,200
some of these others have said that

808
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:42,779
there are impacts in other dimensions

809
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,000
that we are not aware of because this

810
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,279
interpenetrating nature of reality is

811
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,740
just that way and we are kind of

812
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,600
foolishly doing this not only to our own

813
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:53,880
biosphere but being completely unaware

814
00:31:57,889 --> 00:31:55,260
of the damage we're doing in other

815
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,899
dimensions and far beyond just the

816
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,640
notion of atomic weapons and what that

817
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:01,860
does I've mentioned before that whenever

818
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,020
we even have a thought or we act on a

819
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,120
thought we are sending energy between

820
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:08,700
dimensions that's one of the Notions I

821
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,520
understood in my contact experience was

822
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:13,679
that these dimensions are interacting

823
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,740
all the time we are being impacted by

824
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,360
vamon that makes us make decisions

825
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:20,640
differently sometimes and likewise the

826
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:23,220
decisions we make the energy we exude

827
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,279
into the world for good or for bad also

828
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,440
impacts these other dimensions and

829
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:30,179
sometimes these other dimensions also

830
00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:32,460
involve different incarnations of us

831
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,220
different iterations of us so again like

832
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,720
I said last time it's not so much

833
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:39,000
necessarily about multiple lifetimes

834
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:40,980
lived in a linear way one after the

835
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,840
other but sometimes these different

836
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,299
aspects of ourselves are online at the

837
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,279
same time if you will that's one way to

838
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,440
think about it really time doesn't exist

839
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,200
here but it's very complex but it makes

840
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:54,240
us all the more or should make us all

841
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:57,299
the more self-aware and self-cognizant

842
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,059
about our decisions and the actions we

843
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:02,760
take because the ramifications are much

844
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,580
more widespread and far-reaching than we

845
00:33:09,889 --> 00:33:07,860
realize and that's exactly what these

846
00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:09,899
others were saying to Ronan in this

847
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,179
experience when he was a child

848
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:13,559
implanting these memories that would

849
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,779
serve him when he was an adult and could

850
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,059
translate those into adult rational

851
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:20,159
thinking

852
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:22,019
and now I'd like to close with a few

853
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:23,100
additional thoughts for your

854
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,779
consideration

855
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,760
hearing about these kinds of encounters

856
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:28,980
it's understandable that some people are

857
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:32,220
left feeling perplexed overwhelmed after

858
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,919
all as I already stated so often people

859
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:37,200
are presented with a few static and

860
00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:40,260
clearly defined choices aliens meaning

861
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,940
strange looking extraterrestrial

862
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,159
entities here to conduct scientific

863
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:47,340
experiments or medical examinations or

864
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,100
Angels and Demons spiritual entities who

865
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:52,620
manifest an awesome appearance to humans

866
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,539
who feel fright at the mere sight of

867
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,820
such beings even when in the case of

868
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,340
angelic Celestial entities they come

869
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:00,840
with good news

870
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,299
but the cases we've discussed today defy

871
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,980
these simple clearly delineated

872
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,299
categories

873
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:08,399
sometimes people encounter beings that

874
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:10,980
have the benevolent demeanor and intent

875
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,320
of conventional Notions of angelic

876
00:34:19,369 --> 00:34:16,080
beings but they arrive in spacecraft and

877
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:19,379
seem to originate from a planet as do we

878
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,480
other times as in the case of yossi

879
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,060
ronin they suddenly appear both in dream

880
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:27,300
states and or in waking States defying

881
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,339
yet more supposedly clearly defined

882
00:34:34,070 --> 00:34:31,619
categories of human experience without

883
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:34,080
needing to Traverse great expanses via

884
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,280
spacecraft

885
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:37,260
but yet they can still in the blink of

886
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,419
an eye take a human being to their home

887
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,520
planet indeed that's what happened with

888
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,440
Yoshi Ronan without the need of

889
00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,540
spacecraft they took him to their planet

890
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:47,940
and then brought him back home all via

891
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,480
the power of mentation or thought alone

892
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:53,280
now how are we to make sense of this

893
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,040
diversity of experience of otherness

894
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,839
well the first thing we should be clear

895
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,359
about is that our traditional Notions of

896
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,099
how these things work is simply

897
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,800
insufficient at best and woefully

898
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,839
misleading at worst

899
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:09,240
here again we're back at a termite often

900
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:10,940
discussed on this podcast

901
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,040
non-duality this as I've said many times

902
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,980
is Central it seems like a simple term

903
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,320
representing a fairly simple singular

904
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,440
idea everything is one all the way up

905
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,839
and all the way down and that any sense

906
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,599
or form of separateness is relative and

907
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,520
ultimately illusory

908
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,440
and yet in most people's experience

909
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,560
fully embedded within this illusion this

910
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:36,599
is much harder to grasp than one might

911
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,839
first assume the thing is as one moves

912
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,940
further and further into a stage where

913
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:44,640
this awareness really holds sway rather

914
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:46,380
than appearing as a brief flash of

915
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:48,599
insight that later Fades amongst the

916
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:51,660
bombardment of everyday mundanity beings

917
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,780
begin to change their behavior they do

918
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,520
so because the very way they see

919
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:58,800
themselves and by extension everything

920
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:02,520
and everyone else has evolved they now

921
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,099
have a felt lived fully embodied

922
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:06,900
experience of being connected to

923
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,140
everything and everyone and as such they

924
00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,180
begin to act in ways that might look to

925
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,540
us Angelic in other words they seem

926
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,520
decidedly benevolent having our best

927
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,740
interests in mind and acting in ways

928
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,599
that work to that end

929
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,119
but importantly some of these beings get

930
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:26,160
to this place while walking out a

931
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:29,579
relative existence just like us and as

932
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,619
they proceed as individuals and as

933
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:33,839
civilizations they grow both in

934
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,119
technological prowess hence the advanced

935
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,820
spacecraft witnessed while also growing

936
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,040
into an advanced stage of Consciousness

937
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:42,960
development again we're back at the

938
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:45,900
spiral of Consciousness development

939
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,660
at this Advanced stage the technology is

940
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:50,760
there to Aid their college of service

941
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,400
and they are not serving because they

942
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,800
were programmed to do so as is typically

943
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:58,079
depicted of angels who are said to be

944
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,940
immortal but also lacking some of the

945
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,400
experiential qualities of mortal beings

946
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:05,220
but rather because this has become part

947
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,420
of these embodied beings felt sense of

948
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,280
self-interest they have a desire to

949
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,140
serve Us in the same way we might have a

950
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,839
desire to help our own injured hand when

951
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,060
we've injured it by caressing it with

952
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:21,119
the other hand it's the same notion in

953
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:22,980
terms of how they think about us versus

954
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,359
them Inseparable ultimately indivisible

955
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:29,760
importantly this is not to say the more

956
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:32,099
traditional depictions of angels are

957
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,520
simply Antiquated and quaint fantasies

958
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:37,920
these Notions also point if not

959
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,800
perfectly to real entities who are

960
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:42,900
intimately connected to the one Cosmic

961
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,300
intelligence and who do differ in

962
00:37:49,970 --> 00:37:47,880
composition and nature from these other

963
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:49,980
kinds of beings we've discussed who

964
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:52,859
begin as biological entities who then

965
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:55,140
Ascend to a place of service and to a

966
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,020
felt sense of cosmic siblinghood via the

967
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,240
process of mortal quote-unquote

968
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,920
experience

969
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,079
the lessons we can draw from encounters

970
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,480
such as those we've discussed today are

971
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:08,040
at least twofold

972
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:10,380
firstly a huge part of the reason why

973
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:12,359
disclosure is so much more complicated

974
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,940
than many first realize is that it

975
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:16,800
involves the eventual public awareness

976
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,560
of a vast assortment of beings existing

977
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:22,320
on numerous planes or dimensions of

978
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,940
existence

979
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,520
these various interpenetrating planes or

980
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:29,520
Dimensions represent gradations of

981
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,760
graduations populated by various beings

982
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,240
all partaking in novel experience and

983
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:38,220
learning via their reaction to it

984
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:40,980
through their expression of free will on

985
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:43,619
a quest towards ultimate Union and

986
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,200
reunion with Cosmic source

987
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:48,240
now amongst the complexity of these

988
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,760
various types of beings even humans

989
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:52,740
currently present on the earth as I

990
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,540
already pointed out have different

991
00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:56,460
compositional aspects to their

992
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,619
backgrounds some have histories

993
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:00,960
involving incarnations as other kinds of

994
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,839
entities hence this connection on a

995
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,880
familial level with some of these

996
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,980
various others

997
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,320
secondly the significant takeaway from

998
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:12,900
this overarching cosmology is that we

999
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:15,240
are all here for a purpose despite what

1000
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:17,160
the Preposterous message of the

1001
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,140
reductionistic materialist model would

1002
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,119
have us believe

1003
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,880
ultimately the sooner we wake up to this

1004
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,040
fact the sooner we can begin to embody

1005
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:29,099
that purposeful presence and thus move

1006
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,560
our own energy forward in such a way

1007
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,780
that helps to directly determine our

1008
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,000
next Incarnation which as we've already

1009
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:39,240
discussed is a win-win both for us and

1010
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,820
for the cosmic community at Large

1011
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,880
and why because as both the ascended

1012
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:46,980
masters of human history and these

1013
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,839
various benevolent others have already

1014
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:51,119
made abundantly clear in the most

1015
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,040
ultimate sense these are not two

1016
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:58,680
and on that note we've come to the close

1017
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,900
of another edition of the point of

1018
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:03,300
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1019
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,400
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1020
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1021
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,900
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1022
00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:12,180
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1023
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,220
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